Wednesday 28 August 2024

Exhaust Collector - Quality & Workmanship

Exhaust Collectors

How it is made inside is more important that how it looks on the outside. The welds, finishing and the way pipes merge together inside the collector affect the flow. Where the o2 sensor sit also matter.



Both are made for Suzuki K engines without hybrid tech. Refer the article Sultan of Stainless if you like this.
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Tuesday 6 August 2024

5 Door Jimny's Door Accessory Mount Bolt Size

You know there are Allen bolt plugs inserted on the dashboard nut inserts where you install cupholders, mobile phone holders, bag hooks etc. You have seen the same type of allen bolt plugs on the nut inserts on the door hand grips?

The bolts that go into the dashboard accessory mounts are M8x1.25 bolts. Standard pitch thread for the M8 bolt size. The nut inserts on the door take M8 bolts but with 1mm fine thread pitch. Only MSIL knows why they used 1mm fine pitch nutserts on the door grips of the Indian Jimny?! The Japan spec 3 door takes same size bolts (M8x1.25) for the dash board and its front doors.
  1. For dashboard accessory mounts - M8 x 1.25mm
  2. For door grip accessory mounts - M8 x 1.0mm
The images below are of two cup holders mounted on the rear door of the Jimny with the M8x1.0 Allen bolts.



These are Carmate NZ810 cup holders, the top ring design imitates the design and the colour of the front round AC vents. These cup holders can be installed in door location and the dashboard location.
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Saturday 3 August 2024

Jimny XL 5 Door (K15B) Airbox Modification

This article is about the airbox modification of the Jimny 5 Door and not the Japan spec 3 Door. The Japan spec K15B Jimny has a different airbox, different in construction but similar principle.
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The airbox of regular mainstream vehicles including the Jimny is a compromise in its design. The compromise not in material, PP-GF30 is very good. The compromise is of performance, fuel efficiency and NVH. High performance variant of a vehicle, when available, always has an airbox which is more conducive to higher flow rather than satisfying low NVH requirements.

Aftermarket air intakes are always an option to gain more performance out of the engine and in some vehicles they do respond very well, especially on vehicles with MAF based fueling. Jimny does not have a MAF sensor to measure the airflow, to estimate the airflow into the engine it uses a speed density model for fueling. In speed density the air flow into the engine is indirectly measured using 
Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor, Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor at a given engine speed (RPM) to look up cylinder filling percentage from a volumetric efficiency (VE) table. Because it cannot measure the additional airflow directly like a MAF based system can, the speed density engines does not usually respond very well to air intake changes. There would be some gains, as a result of reducing pumping loss.

Flashback:

I have in the past, a decade ago infact, used the BMC CDA (Carbon Dynamic Airbox) and its higher option the BMC OTA (Oval Trumpet Airbox) in two Suzukis with the K series engine and both running a MAF less MAP based speed density system. Then BMC did not have an India distributor selling it locally and had to be imported. These airboxes were very very expensive and they better perform?! But they did not. The engines gained high RPM performance marginally but lost torque in the low to mid region which is the most used for daily driving. The blame is entirely mine, when the BMC CDA did not work in one Suzuki I should have learnt my lesson but I did not. So I bought the BMC OTA an year later for another Suzuki and found that it was just a glorified CDA with a short velocity stack inlet into the throttle body. For the money paid both were a total waste. What I did next was brush up on Graham Bell and was convinced to try some flow improvements on the stock airbox. There was a snippet about smoothing the airbox and the ribs inside, which is for strengthening the airbox as well as muffling the intake. Which I did and gained a noticeable improvement in the midrange without losing the low end, this was on a manual transmission vehicle. I have mentioned this in an older blog entry. Point to ponder - In performance options of the vehicles the strengthening ribs are external allowing for a smooth surface inside the airbox. Look it up yourself, to give an example the police interceptor vs regular variant of same vehicle with same engine. 

BMC OTA (Oval Trumpet Airbox)

The BMC OTA I had on the Suzuki Swift K12/K14B. Photo taken on 31 Jan 2013.
Shipped inside its own cookie can type tin can.

The BMC OTA installed in my Suzuki Swift. Year 2013. The OTA was a nicer kit than the CDA which I had in the Suzuki AStar.
BMC OTA was built better and better supplied feed tube and comes with a bellmouth inlet.

BMC CDA (Carbon Dynamic Airbox)

As received in mail came by post. Royal Mail to India Post. Year 2011.

BMC CDA in my 2010 Suzuki AStar K10B.. 

Trying various feeds into the airbox, added a bell mouth. Which was sourced from eBay. 
There is an opening in the front air dam where the pipes point to away from the radiator fan zone.

And so I have been reading up on the aftermarket intakes available for the Jimny on the web and have interacted over the net with several folks who have put one from name brand companies. Most of them say "its mostly for the sound" and "a little bit but you gotta be putting your foot down feel it. Noticeable change to the intake sound".


I am not saying that aftermarket intakes do not work. They do. They will flow more air than the stock airbox would and to see any proper gains with it you need to have a remap or a piggyback to take care of the fueling. On a stock Jimny an aftermarket airbox will not do much, it will shift the torque curve higher in the rev band, based on what I have seen with the BMC CDA and OTA.

So learning from my past experience, on a stock speed density Suzuki, I decided against, or I should say I resisted the idea of going with an aftermarket airbox. But if I were to go that way it would not be the BMC or the Forge both are just universal filter at the end of throttle body wrapped in a plastic or carbon fiber shell adapted for Jimny. They don't do much so atleast they should look the part, no? A custom made for Jimny airbox looks way lot more cooler than universal options slapped on with adapters. You can get AFE, Gruppem, Armaspeed, Torquit all these are custom made for Jimny K15B they look cool! So decided to modify the stock airbox like I did with the K12B/K14B Swift.

Stock airbox is not very expensive and affordable enough to correct any mistakes. I have gone through five airboxes in total. Changes were made to the top half and bottom half and the type of change made affected where the torque went. The top half of the airbox has a curved funnel shaped inlet. It is a tuned length intake tract and opening into the throttle body with a sort of bell mouthed opening. This length of pipe is very important and if you remove it you will lose torque. This is also why the BMC types and Forge types will not work, but a Greddy type which is an open filter at the end of the tube will work because of that length of the tube, but only till it starts sucking in hot air. So do not cut the curved piece of plastic and do not drill holes in it. Do not drill holes anywhere on the airbox, it is not done. Drilling holes is an old old old "internet airbox mod" and not for the Jimny airbox and where it is placed at.


Of the five airboxes one is scrapped, and i am now left with four of them. One is in the Jimny and three are on the shelf. One among the three above is completely stock.

The tuned length intake tract or the curved piece of plastic as many would see it, is important. Do not cut it off. I have one airbox in the shelf above with this piece cleanly removed. It drives better with it on, unless it is only the sound you want.

The bottom half of the airbox is a very compromised design. It is shaped as such to clear the engine valve cover and the fuel rail. A compromise in design to fit the airbox in that particular location on top of the engine resulting in a cramped lower half with an ungainly shape inside. To salvage the poor layout they have included an air flow director (or a plastic wall) placed on the RHS of the air inlet. (Note: RHS/LHS from our point of view facing the Jimny engine bay from the front, and not looking at these photos). The function of the flow director or that plastic wall is to direct the airflow coming in to the rear RHS corner of the airbox. Why? Because the tuned length funnel on the top half of the airbox opens into that corner sucking in air from that corner with the airbox is closed. The designers have tried to create a high pressure area inside the box for the funnel to suck from. When you remove an old filter you will see that the RHS side of the filter is less dirty than the rest of the area, it is due to that plastic wall blocking that side of the lower airbox and due to the way OEM filter sitting angled very close to that wall leaving little space in between.





The lower half of the Japanese K15B Jimny also has the compromised shape to fit over the engine valve cover and the fuel rail but the plastic wall or the flow director is differently shaped and positioned. The OEM filter of that comes in this version of the airbox is also angled ours when it sits in the airbox. Instead of blocking a part of the lower half it sits right in the path of the incoming air and diverts the air to the RHS corner where the funnel opens to in the top half. Notice how the tuned length is built in the Japanese K15B airbox? More elaborate in construction and it is a separate piece. Image source: Croober.


The only aftermarket airbox for the Jimny with a "dyno graph" to support its claim has been the one from AFE. This has been in my cart's "save for later" list since even before I got the Jimny last July.  I came close to pulling the trigger on this one during many sales when the price dropped as much as $50US. I am still tempted to get one even just for looks as I type this, it looks fabulous, but the only thing keeping me grounded is reviews by a few who have installed this kit. It sounds good they say and to feel any difference one has to put the foot down, they say. Which in my informed guess is its all about the top end. This AFE does not have the tuned length pipe, but it has a proper "box" around the filter and is designed as an "airbox". For the Jimny the only aftermarket air intake kit with some form of tuned length intake tract is the one made by Torquit.

Airbox Mods


The ribs have to go and so does the airflow deflector on the bottom part of the airbox. I have tried the bottom half with totally smoothed I refer to as Type - A, totally smoothed but with the deflector standing Type - B, and the non smoothed deflector cut to the same height as ribs - Type - C.

I made the Type - C lower half to check whether leaving the ribs intact and cutting the deflector would nett any improvement in performance, due to the pockets of air formed by the ribs creating a boundary layer effect. But no, the better performing lower half was the completely smoothed Type - A.



I also made a Type - B, not pictured, where I smoothed the lower half completely but leaving the deflector as is, but again no Type - A performed better overall. The deflector might be there to create a high pressure area but without it seems to help with better filling of the airbox.

I then tried the bottom half with different types of top lids and a stock top lid. I also trialed a stock bottom half with different types top halves. But always and very consistently found that the best performing airbox irrespective of mod/no-mod top half is the one with a completely smoothed Type - A bottom half. 

There are similar ribs and also a flow director on the top half of the airbox. The ribs are similar in design to the bottom half but more densely packed and there are three long angled ribs which goes into the bell mouth. I think these serves dual purpose based on some readings I have done. One is to stiffen the box up and the second is to help with streamlining the airflow into the curved throat.

Similarly I did four types of the top half, but only three remains now. The totally smoothed top half referred to as Type -2, The totally smoothed except the curved rib top half which I would refer to as the Type - 1 and The partially smoothed top half which I would refer to as Type - 3. 

The Type - 2 totally smoothed top half as the name suggests is cleared of all ribs inside. It is totally devoid of it even on the insides of the intake tract. This box gave me the best performance at high engine speeds but with a minor loss of torque at the midrange which in an automatic with only three speeds (not counting the overdrive) was noticeable.



The Type - 1 totally smoothed except the curved ribs top half had all the ribs removed but left the curved section intact which goes into the intake tract. This lid performed better at the midrange (around 3000RPM) and also offered a better performance at higher engine speeds compared to stock lid. The midrange was noticeably better with the autobox holding on to the gears without dropping it for want of torque during the same driving conditions.

This leaves me with the Type - 3 partially smoothed top half, that is I left the area behind the intake tract as is and did not smooth it. The area in front of the mouth is smoothed except the three curved ribs. This performed similarly to the box immediately above. They felt nearly close but I think there was a slight advantage to the one mentioned above which was totally clean except the three ribs.

The first top half I did was the Type - 1 and I used that for the longest time. When I was trying to evolve the Type - 1 to Type - 2 design and whilst trying to separate the intake tract from the lid it broke (Note: The lid without intake tract sounds very loud and performs poor). So another stock top half was used to make the Type - 2 and this time the intake tract was carefully separated to smooth the insides. Type - 1 was a good design, so to make another one I used another stock another top half starting from scratch but this time I left the area behind the mouth as is and due to the variation in design call it Type - 3. Type - 3 is a Type - 1 with the area behind left as is but performs nearly as good and the amount of work is reduced. Cutting and scraping the ribs and then sanding it as smooth as possible is hard work and doing it multiple times over is boring and so decided to leave it at that.

All the cutting and smoothing work was done without using power tools using craft blades, flush cutting plier and finally sanded it down using coarser to finer grit sand paper. The  first box, Type - 0, was done using a Dremel to cut the ribs but the finishing was less than desirable. Type - 0 was very similar to Type - 1 but it was not very well finished.

One of the best things about this mod is that you can use the OEM paper filter and still get much better performance than you think is possible with the stock air filter and airbox. With a replacement filter the performance is as close as you would get from a "performance" intake kit for the Jimny without all of that expense. So if you are not remapped or running a piggyback you may be better off with a modified stock airbox.

Some photos are attached, what is missing is the Type - 0 lid and the Type - B bottom half which was scrapped and lost in evolution respectively.
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Friday 19 July 2024

Brake Options for JIMNY XL (JC74) 5 Door | Brake Pads and Discs

This article is not about big brake kits but it is about options available retaining the OEM caliper and rotor diameter of the Jimny XL JC74 or the Jimny JB74.
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The 3 Door Jimny JB74 (K15B) and the 5 Door Jimny JC74 (K15B) have a lot of parts in common, the chassis from the front to where the transfer case sits and then from the rear radial arm mounts till the tail end of the chassis it is identical between the 3 door and the 5 door. The difference is an additional section of about a foot in length and a new cross member in the extended part in between.

Similarly the cabin from the nose till about the front seats are identical in floor layout and cabin layout except the shorter front doors and thus the placement of B pillar. The the custom fit front floor mats of the 3 door Jimny is a perfect fit in the 5 door floor edge to edge. Powertrain, transmission and wheels are all the same. They are twins sharing lot of components but front brakes are not on that list.

Suzuki used a 10mm thick 290mm diameter solid front disc for the JB74 3 door version but for the JC74 5 door version they used a 17mm thick 287mm diameter ventilated disc. The brake calipers are also different between these two models with the JC74 calipers having wider gap to accommodate the thicker brake discs. The brake pads are also not interchangeable between the JB and JC calipers.

There is a complaint of brake judder in the Jimny when applying brakes from higher speeds and whilst repeated braking. Many have reported this in the Indian Jimny groups and is an universally reported niggle, myself included. Brake judder is caused by 1) either brake disc warping or developing hotspots and or 2) uneven transfer of friction pad material on to the disc caused due to hot spotting at high temperatures.

The text from Monster Sport website listing their JB74 upgrade brake discs is copied below. So it is understood that the OE solid discs of JB74 are also not upto scratch and Suzuki most probably upgraded the fronts to vented in the 5 door hoping to mitigate the issue.

"Brake Jadder is also the cry of Gymney.
In situations where hard braking is repeatedly due to the installation of high-performance brake pads or winding driving, normal brake rotors can cause heat distortion and cause brake jaders.
The Monster Sport brake rotors have been given an optimal heat treatment (hardened) that dramatically improves abrasion resistance, heat resistance and reduces heat distortion. Recommended for those who suffer from brake jaders."
(sic)

To tackle this some 5 door owners are using the JB74 upgrade slotted brake discs in their JC74. Not an ideal solution as you go further down you shall understand why. Whilst some 5 door owners are just upgrading the brake pads and keeping their factory brake discs. This is a sound option. Some have imported the JB74 upgrade brake pads from Japan and elsewhere and have been disappointed.

Suzuki/Maruti Suzuki when they added more mass and length to the JB74 to make the JC74 5 door Jimny they also changed the front braking system completely. The brake calipers, the discs and the brake pads are all different and not interchangeable (except for the brake discs, but not ideal as you will learn below). The brake pads are not interchangeable between these two vehicles either, because calipers are different. The calipers are different because the discs are thicker. The brake discs are different because Suzuki consider this an upgrade over the JB74 solid brake discs expecting the ventilated brakes to run cooler increasing life and decrease fade.

The origins of the 5 door Jimny XL JC74 braking system can be traced to the 3rd generation Jimny JB53 with the Renault K9K 1.5L turbo Diesel engine. The JB53 inherited the upgraded vented brakes the origins of which can be traced to the Vitara/Escudo (TD01W/early TL52W) whilst the petrol powered JB23, JB33 and JB43 continued with solid brakes. Ventilated brakes are designed to run cooler than solid discs. To take the heavier K9K Diesel power plant few critical components were beefed up in the JB53; amongst which one is the vented front brakes and the other the strengthened front axle housing.

Which brake pads fit?

Some vendors have already figured out the fitment and have been selling the pads in Jimny circles but they have not let out the details in public, obviously due to the fact that they wouldn't be able to sell as many pads if the information is out. The brake pad part numbers wouldn't be shared to those who had asked for it, and even paying customers receive brake pads in boxes with no part numbers on the box or the pads. So I took this as a fun challenge to figure out the fitment, for both brake pads and brake discs and thus now we have options.

Brake Pads FMSI ID: D556, D807
  1. EBC DP979 Ultimax2 (NAO, confirmed as GG)
  2. EBC DP6979 Greenstuff
  3. EBC DP4979R Yellowstuff
  4. Bosch BP556 (Semi Metallic)
  5. Bosch BE556 (Semi Metallic)
  6. Bosch BC556 (Ceramic, Confirmed as FF) 
  7. Brembo P79 008
  8. Brembo P79 008N (NAO)
  9. Dixcel 371038-EC (NAO, µ Min 0.35, Avg 0.41, Max 0.50)
  10. Dixcel 371038-M (NAO, µ Min 0.39, Avg 0.40, Max 0.52)
  11. Dixcel X-371038 (Semi Metallic, µ Min 0.57, Avg 0.60, Max 0.68)
  12. DBA DB1266SS Street
  13. ADVICS SN567P
  14. Akebono AN370WK
  15. AC Delco 14D556CHF1
There are too many brake pads to list and some of the known names I did not mention are Bendix, Raybestos, Wagner, Ferodo etc. Some of these specific part nos are infact "Made in India" (AC Delco and Bendix) as per the Country of Origin provided. In USofA look up '98 Chevrolet Tracker 4 door to find matching brake pads. You can search with the FMSI ID D556 which will yield manufacturer cross reference for several OEM and aftermarket pads. For my friends in Australia since this model year Suzuki Vitara/Escudo was sold there you can find brake options locally.

But do your research and do your homework because none of these brake pads and actually "listed" for the Jimny 5 door aka Jimny XL aka JC74.

Brembo

EBC

ADVICS

DIXCEL

Note on Brake Friction Coefficient µ and DOT Codes

All street brake pads sold in the United States is required to show the brake friction coefficient as a two letter code, for example FE, FF, GG, GF etc. The first letter indicates the friction at low operating temperature 93C to 204C and the second letter indicates the friction at higher temperature 149C to 343C.

The coefficient of friction (µ) codes (SAE J866) assigned to the letter is as given below. A pad with GF rating would have high initial bite when cold and reduced bite friction) when hot and a pad with GG rating would exhibit high friction when cold as well as hot. The friction code gives the user an indication on how a particular brake pad behaves but is not absolute.
  1. D = 0.15µ to 0.25µ
  2. E = 0.25µ to 0.35µ
  3. F = 0.35µ to 0.45µ
  4. G = 0.45µ to 0.55µ
  5. H = > 0.55µ
  6. Z = Not Classified
The brake pad friction materials contribute to the coefficient of friction and the overall performance. Most options we have for Jimny are - 1) Non Asbestos Organic (NAO), 2) Semi-Metallic and 3) Ceramic - each having their own pros and cons.

I bought Bosch BC556 brake pads (from overseas) which are ceramic and are not too expensive. I will keep the blog updated on how these perform as we go. Couple of photos of the actual brake pad are given below.




Alongwith the above Bosch brake pads I also made the purchase of the EBC Ultimax 2 from another vendor overseas, although both were ordered together the EBC arrived late. But I am very glad that the ultimax2 turned out to be GG rated "as advertised". The Bosch BC556 were advertised as GG but it turned out to be FF. 





Hope it does, as advertised! ;-)

Which Brake Disc/Rotor?

Skimming the brake rotor on a brake lathe is a process familiar to most? That is an option to get the runout corrected by shaving material off the friction face before junking the rotors, provided the rotor meets minimum thickness after this.

OEM rotors are junk when new combined with the brake pads that come stock on the Jimny. The brake judder could also be a "pad" problem if a quality aftermarket brake pad is combined with a new (important) OE rotor might just fix it. OE discs are cheap and a pair cost less than a set of aftermarket brake pads!

That said aftermarket brake discs could be better by build and metallurgy. Research and do your homework before purchasing any of the options below or finding alternatives based on the information available below. Because none of these are actually "listed" for the Jimny 5 door aka the Jimny XL aka JC74.

Brake Discs 287mm Diameter x 17mm Thick Ventilated Center Bore 108.3mm
  1. Brembo prime 09.C220.10 OE Replacement

There is a dearth of availability of the particular spec brake disc, i.e., the vented 287mm x 17mm disc for 108mm hub in the aftermarket. This is most probably due to the fact that 287mm x 17mm for 108mm hub size was only used for the 3rd generation Jimny 1.5TD from 2005 till 2018. Where as the same disc (287mm x 17mm) for the 107mm hub was used in older 3rd gen Diesel Jimnyies until 2005 and in the Vitara/Escudo/Tracker I mentioned about earlier in this article.

Edit: 02/08/2024 There are few more options to add on to the list here of the OE upgrade type. These are from TarOx and as per the specifications on TarOx website the discs are 287mm x 17mm suitable for 108mm hub.
  1. TarOx 2928 F2000 - Long curved grooves (OE Upgrade)
  2. TarOx 2928 G88 - 40 long straight end to end grooves (OE Upgrade)
  3. TarOx 2928 SJ - Cross drilled and slotted (OE Upgrade)
  4. TarOx 2928 C83 - Short straight grooves (OE Upgrade)
  5. TarOx 2928 D95 - Cross drilled (OE Upgrade)
  6. TarOx 2928 Zero - Plain (OE Upgrade)

3-Door JB74 Solid Brake Disc for 5-Door Jimny XL JC74?

I have mentioned that there are people who are using 290mm x 10mm solid discs in the Jimny 5 Door with stock brake calipers. The factory fitment for the 5 Door is 287mm x 17mm vented option and the caliper is wider to fit the 17mm brake discs. I would not combine the two, it is asking for brake failure.

If you wish to pursue the 290mm x 10mm solid brake rotor some of the options are listed below and if you go down this path my suggestion is to do it properly and use the JB74 brake calipers and the brake pads to go with these JB74 calipers.

If you use the 3door Jimny JB74 10mm brake discs in the 5 door Jimny XL JC74 with its stock brake caliper it would probable feel okay when the brake pads and the rotors are still new because there is enough meat on the pad and on the rotor. But it is not correct you are risking it!
  1. Brake caliper piston will need to push further out than it would with 17mm discs,
  2. The caliper will need to slide further in on the carrier sliding pins than it would on the 17mm disc,
  3. As brake pads and rotor wear out the pads could shift out of its seat in the caliper carrier due to the larger available gap between disc and carrier.
  4. Or worse the caliper piston pushes out further than its intended limit causing piston boot failure or more catastrophically a brake failure if the piston travels past the seal inside the caliper.
  5. The permissible minimum thickness of the 10mm discs is 8mm which is its service life. Try to imagine a 9mm or 8mm disc in a caliper with its gap specified for 17mm disc with minimum permissible thickness of 15mm.
Why would anyone would want to risk a total brake failure seeking out remedial measures for brake judder. Brake judder always > No brakes!

If you wish to use a solid rotor club it with its correct brake calipers, both solid and vented have their pros and cons. Select what works for you but use correct caliper. The part number of Jimny JB74 brake caliper assembly including caliper carrier is 55100-78R00-999 (or 55100-78R01-999), the latter is probably an updated part. The JB74 calipers are not handed are common for both sides.

Brake Discs 290mm Diameter x 10mm Thick Solid Center Bore 108.3mm
  1. Brembo prime 08B30410 OE Replacement
  2. DBA DBA578 OE Replacement
  3. DBA DBA587S Slotted
  4. Dixcel 3714043S OE Replacement & Upgrade
  5. Monster Sport 431300-5200M Upgrade
  6. Power brake AT339 Upgrade

If you are going this route, i.e., 290mm solids, there are a lot more options than what is listed above in both OE replacement type and upgrade types. With the information above you should be able to find a suitable option that fit your budget and needs.

107MM Hub Brake Discs for the 108mm Hub JB74/JC74?

These options would not fit the JB74 or JC74 hub without processing. On the forums I did read about someone who machined the center bore to 108.26mm to fit the 108mm hub. I just happened to notice that there are a few more upgrade type options available for this rotor, not limited to the options listed below. All the important measurements such as rotor including diameter, thickness, rotor hat height, PCD, bolt hole diameter etc. are the same.

Vented Disc 287mm x 17mm
  1. Brembo prime 09.6859.10 OE Type
  2. DBA DBA514 OE Type
  3. DBA T2 DBA514S Upgrade Slotted

Solid Disc 290mm x 10mm
  1. Brembo prime 08.5266.10 OE Type
  2. DBA DBA513 OE
  3. DBA T2 DBA513S Upgrade Slotted

I included the 107mm hub rotor options in the article just because it has been done and needed that covered. I then striked out the text because it is not recommended, but I wanted to bring forth that information to you. Without machining the rotor will not fit the 4th gen. If the machining is not perfect you will have more problems than you had hoped to solve. All name brand brake discs are balanced so any additional machining could throw that off.

5-Door Jimny XL JC74 Vented Brake Disc for 3-Door Jimny JB74?

Would it be worthwhile? It is a question that I cannot answer as we don't get the 3 door Jimny here and I cannot comment on its braking system in comparison with the 5 door. It is possible to replace the solid disc brake system of the JB74 with the JC74 vented disc system. The calipers on the JC74 are handed with different parts for LHS and RHS. For the swap you need 1) RHS and LHS brake calipers, 2) Caliper carriers, 3) 287mm x 17mm brake discs and 4) Brake pads. Maruti Suzuki part numbers for the 5 door Jimny XL JC74 brake caliper assembly including carrier are 55102M80T00 and 55101M80T00 for LHS and RHS respectively.

Kingpin Pre-load Adjustment

Some folks shimmed the kingpins and increased the preload on their new 5 doors to fix brake judder. This is treating the symptom rather than cause. With increased kingpin pre-load the swivel joint gets tighter it resists movement and the steering also gets tighter. A worn out kingpin or incorrectly set low kingpin preload would result in "death wobble" without ever needing to touch the brakes. If its the kingpin you will feel that on the steering wheel even if you do not touch the brakes, with or without steering damper which the 4th gen has from factory. If it shakes only when you are on the brakes get the rotor and pads inspected.
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The Warped Brake Disc And Other Myths Of The Braking System

  1. Myth #1:Brake judder and vibration is caused by discs that have been warped from excessive heat.
  2. Myth #2:Racing brake discs are made from steel.
  3. Myth #3:A soft brake pedal is the result of pad fade.
  4. Myth #4:Boiled brake fluid will be serviceable after it cools.
  5. Myth #5:Because they are non-hygroscopic silicon based brake fluids are suitable for use in high performance cars.
  6. Myth #6:The brake fluid reservoir should be topped up during routine service.
I did not write that, the above is by none other than Carrol Smith who has authored several books related to engineering applied in motorsports. If the headlines got your attention you need to read the complete article here.
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